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gossamar
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 8:35pm |
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If you can, switch a few of your inside lights to LED, every little bit helps when dry camping...
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alansills
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Posted: 15 Dec 2011 at 10:36pm |
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Ok, the ideas are appreciated, but here is the spirit of my question - I'm NOT going to add a converter, solar system, or generator at the moment. I am prepared to run ONLY the refrig (on gas - but it will still draw something) AND the furnace...for a night or two.
I'm NOT penny-wise and pound-foolish. A decent battery will probably cost me $200, a great one $300...and I know I'll need 2... the extra $100 - $200 is NOT an issue for me - I'll pay it and NOT count amp-hours to figure out the "minimum" I need. My question is simply this: Since I'm told 2 - 6v batterys in series are the (apparently) best solution and the AGM is the preferred design... I simply would like to know if *anyone* here as used this arrangement with success for 1-2 nights of dry camping and if so, WHICH Brand of battery and model they used and where they bought it. Make sense? Al |
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rock1424
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 11:53am |
IMO you have been told correctly that 2 6v in series is the best solution. I have two Trojan 125s and they are a vast improvement over the 2 Interstate deep cycle 12v that they replaced. I dry camp alot, but not in winter however. I guess the biggest test I've put them through was a 3 night hunting trip last spring (early April). The weather was cold and snow, highs around 40 during the day and overnight lows in the mid to upper twenties and I made the 3 nights just fine. I had my generators just in case I might need them, but never had to use them. Keep in mind that I had the thermostat set at 55 overnight. I would turn it up to 65 or so in the evenings and when we got up in the morning, but the rest of the time it was turned all the way down.
Also, I'm not sure that AGM is a better design than the wet cell. It does have advantages but if I remember correctly they don't have the amp hour capacity of the 6 volt wet cells. You can find detailed specs on the battery mfg web sites for comparisons between brands/types and make your decision form there. Hope this helps....
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avvidclif
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 12:23pm |
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A hundred dollar Harbor Freight 900w generator would be very cheap insurance.
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Clif and Millie
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Monty
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 12:41pm |
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I was able to make it through the night on two 12 V batteries, but they wouldn't make it through the second night while dry camping. I switched to two 6V golf batteries (Sam's Club special. Eveready or maybe Energizer brand I think, not the better quality Trojans). They have no problem going through the first night. And if they are fully charged at the beginning of the first night, they can make it through the second. Granted, my dry camping is not in extreme temps (lows in the upper 20's), but they will make it. I run the fridge on propane and I have switched out most of the lights I use to LED's. I have done this for a couple of seasons now, but I have the generator to recharge and act as a backup just in case. What I don't know is how quickly your battery will charge while driving. If I understand the concept of the charge process, it will absorb a larger quantity quickly when it is fully discharged, but as it it gets closer to a full charge, it absorbs that more slowly. In other words, it takes longer to get that last 5-10% of a charge than it does to take you from say 60% to 90%. That is based on using a battery charger. Maybe someone here can confirm what it would pull from the tow vehicle. Hope this helps.
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Korbe & Diana
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 1:33pm |
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Here is an example: Two trojan 105 will total about 220 amps. I will try not to discharge them to below 50%. So I have 110 amps to use. If my furnace uses 6.7 amps, frig on propane uses 0.30 amps, and a light uses 2.6 amps, thats about 10 amps total. 110 amps storage divided by 10 amps drain equals 11 hours continuous usage. BTW, if your furnace is on all the time, it's too cold to be campin'.
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Korbe & Diana
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alansills
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 1:51pm |
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Thanks! Your responses are helpful. I understand the physics of battery charging and know it will take a full day of driving to charge the battery. I think I have settled in on two - 6 volt Fullriver batteries (model dc224-6). Any one have any experience with fullriver? They're about $223 each. I didn't passout when I heard the price. I have a business anyway that I run from the RV...so, i'll just write it off! Al
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rock1424
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 5:33pm |
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I've never heard the Fullriver name before you mentioned it. The specs on that model are comparable to the Trojan T-105, the price is way more though. (probably because they are an AGM battery) You should be able to get the Trojans for around $130 each. But hey, if money's no object.... Edited by rock1424 - 16 Dec 2011 at 5:34pm |
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alansills
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Posted: 16 Dec 2011 at 5:44pm |
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well, don't wanna come across like 'money bags' here; but business is good ;) and if an extra $93 per battery (thats what it amounts to) - and i'm getting 2...if this helps me to sleep better at night, it will quickly be worth the extra $186.; see where i'm coming from? al
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Alan Sills
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tator447
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Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 12:39pm |
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I have seen posts where people have put "4" batteries inline for usage...have you considered figuring out a way to use 4 instead of 2? Just a thought but that is what I would do...and I know it can be done...I've seen posts on here where people have modified and used such. Just a thought. Hope it helps some
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